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Post by knox on Jun 1, 2013 20:33:48 GMT -5
Mark was never on the outs besides the first vote of the whole game. He was always a key part of the fans alliance, he had a lot of influence in the game. IDK if he was trying to play it up or not though as part of his strategy.
I 100% agree though, they are looking bad by putting each other down. I feel like it shows less confidence in their own games than actually will and wanting to fight for it, you know? It's like, if you really believed all that you are spewing you would let your game speak for itself.
But maybe it's just me.
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Post by chad on Jun 1, 2013 20:37:55 GMT -5
I don't know if Mark is fighting so much as being catty.
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Post by bree on Jun 2, 2013 0:56:45 GMT -5
These arguments are hilarious simply because there's absolutely no reason to have them. I was reading some of it, but I got annoyed and just stopped.
I no longer have any clue who I'm voting for. I might even retract what I already voted... I don't know anymore! @_@
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Post by knox on Jun 2, 2013 15:34:18 GMT -5
Gloria's statement made me LOL Thiago's video closing statement was so adorable. Not sure how much it helped him though, talking about Mark's family and the game he played though. I do respect bringing the best to the end though, this is gonna be a tough one...
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Post by ben on Jun 2, 2013 18:58:40 GMT -5
lol re-thinking my decision again, woo. ;D
I haven't even finished reading half of it yet, but I'm just getting really, really tired of reading Thiago say, "I've been so genuine this entire game!" If you need to beat it into our heads every damn question, it's probably not the truth. Or, it could be the truth, we don't know... but he has to understand this game is about our perception at this point...
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Post by Gloria on Jun 2, 2013 19:51:56 GMT -5
Exactly my point. It's okay for him to be the fakest cunt all game and we're gonna award him for it? I mean come on. To me it all felt personal but I can't speak for everyone. He's not gettin my vote. And I sure do hope the jury opens their eyes. Strategically he played a strong game but so did Zac and Mark. What Thiago did was create these friendships to bait all of us into trusting him. And I can't condemn that but the way he used those relationships or at least mine was just dirty.
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Post by chad on Jun 2, 2013 23:36:06 GMT -5
Well, everyone knows I'm a total Thiago stan, and always will be because I love him.
I really really don't get Thiago hate because I think he played an excellent game, how can you condemn someone for being fake and using friendships? I'm sorry Gloria, you did the same damn thing, so you can kindly sit down.
Thiago did create a strong sense of trust and used that, I think he did that perfectly, I think Mark did that too, to a lesser extent.
I don't think we can also bash ANY of them, for repeating themselves when a lot of our questions are similar and they can only say so much about each of their games. They're answering towards us, and they answered to us.
Stop being so stupidly negative
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Post by chad on Jun 2, 2013 23:41:51 GMT -5
You're being so immature, Gloria. It's insane by the way, you call me pre-pubescent? You address a juror, make a very poor speech, and then ask for the thread to be locked? I mean, c'mon.
Being bitter is excellent, but literally every juror agrees, even Thiago and Mark have addressed the fact that had you not gone and tattled to them, the favourites would have held solid throughout the merge.
Get off your high horse.
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Post by Gloria on Jun 3, 2013 0:14:23 GMT -5
I didn't abuse anyones friendship in this game. That I can vouch for. You can say what you want. I will say what I want. I didn't mean any harm by the pre-puberty comment. It's something Thiago and I constantly joked about. He said some negative things about you to me but I don't think it's necessary for me to say those things.
Also I'm not sure I understand your bashing about repetitive answers. I assume that's to other people because I didn't say anything about that.
But Chad, you don't understand my relationship with him. I can say whatever I please. My speech was about me and him. Not you and him. I'm not sure how strong of a friendship you had with him but I felt horribly betrayed. And like I said, I'm aware that he played a strong game I simply don't agree with the way he abused the friendship we had. It's okay for me to simply not vote for him based off that. I always try to not take this so seriously but I don't think I've ever felt so betrayed like this. I'm not sure if it was because I was very invested in the game but I that's how I felt. Just as you were all over the place about your hate for Starr and I never said anything I'm allowed to have my own opinion.
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Post by Gloria on Jun 3, 2013 0:43:30 GMT -5
I just read this thread. I don't remember ever talking about Bree. Let alone make up lies about her. I thought Bree was such a non-factor in the game because of how low people spoke about her. While I'm not discrediting her, I just don't understand where I was all about anti-Bree? I didn't have an opinion on her other than her being just a vote for the fans?
Also Chad. I'm sorry about that first merge vote. I thought it was annoying how you defended Bree but then you got idoled. If you didn't push so much for Bree to be safe I would have idoled you. But I thought of Starr, Bree and you coming together so I didn't want to risk that. And I had made Knox promised me he would flip. So I thought I was set. In fact we were fine up until he decided Taylor had to go. Which I think was why everything got messed. And then Liam completely throwing me and Knox under the bus with that PM. I should have known better than to trust Liam with that information.
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Post by liam on Jun 3, 2013 3:25:19 GMT -5
Points of fact, 1.) I did not throw you under a bus since my proposal was for Thiago to work with me, you, Ben and Taylor and 2.) Knox and I never had any agreement.
Had Knox stuck to his word with you, and agreed to vote with us at F9, I would have sat quietly and enjoyed our new found majority. However, he showed he wasn't sticking to his word, and what you said was going to happen was that Mark and he were going to flip at F8, which made no sense because there's no way Mark was going to flip.
I even told you I was going to send the PM before I sent it and my proposal included you. Don't act like I was betraying you when my proposed alliance included you.
You denying that you wrote that PM to me was however throwing me under the bus. You are the one that broke our alliance, which is fine since it's part of the game, but don't act like it went down differently than it did.
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Post by knox on Jun 3, 2013 5:58:32 GMT -5
A. Mark said he would flip with me because I was more important to him than everyone else, which is why I believed all the stuff about being able to vote out Taylor and then have the numbers. B. I would have voted with you guys at Nine, but the fact of the matter is you and Taylor never talked to me, so flipping to people who barely even acknowledged me was a terrifying then. Then when the plan to vote out Taylor then fuck Bree over came up, it seemed like a much safer alternative. C. Gloria is entitled to her own opinion, just like the rest of us.
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Post by Gloria on Jun 3, 2013 9:27:40 GMT -5
I told you not to send the PM Liam. You insisted on it. That was giving Thiago wayyy too much information and I didn't want that. I trusted that would stay between us.
Also everything I had said about Know came from Knox himself. I didn't think he would go back and be like lolno Taylor next. Which I kept telling him is dumb because Taylor is a loyal vote with us and it's an easier way for us to go to final 3.
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Post by ben on Jun 3, 2013 18:08:00 GMT -5
idk I don't really see the strategy behind Thiago's game... he has social down to a T, but the strategy idk. He even said Mark was a huge reason why Knox didn't flip, and I think that's a huge reason they're all there.
I can identify with Thiago because I think he wants it the most (video closing, ruthlessness, etc.)... and I felt like I proved I wanted it just as much as he does when I was in the game but no one really cared since they voted me out so so idk why I should care now.
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Post by ben on Jun 3, 2013 18:10:01 GMT -5
Like I feel like being social WAS Thiago's strategy, and he used that. But he didn't actually have strategic plans, it just kinda turned out that way because he was social? meh
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