[13.2] Wow

[bree]

...I need another picture. From my only collection.

_{God, can you somehow make a hat picture for my avatar happen next season? PRETTY PLEASE? I need to go out like that...}

Okay, welcome to Mess. Population 8.

Thiago is telling me... everything. Like Knox's entire game and its repercussions:

Thiago 7:07 pm
you do realize i have SO MUCH to catch you up on
HI
lol
HELLO
Fleur Du 7:07 pm
Okay, get me up to speed then :-)
Thiago 7:08 pm
i'm honestly
a total mess of nerves
it has been so crazy bree
so after you left, knox and liam both came on
Fleur Du 7:08 pm
...Knox's status. "plotting Thiago's demise with my BFF Liam"
Thiago 7:08 pm
knox immediately starts bashing liam
yep
he was PISSED
he said liam is a liar
he didnt own it at all
and he said he wishes liam wasnt immune so he could vote liam off
Thiago 7:09 pm
and then liam is pushing me even ahrder
trying to prove that he is telling the truth
he shows me a PM gloria sent him
Fleur Du 7:09 pm
Ooh, I am lovivng this.
Thiago 7:09 pm
this was BEFORE the carly boot
so knox planned this
BEFORE carly left
can you believe it
Fleur Du 7:09 pm
Wow...
Thiago 7:09 pm
yep
and so i sent it to gloria
and i said is this true
and she said no liam is lying he just made that up what's wrong with him
but i know gloria is lying, because it all matches everything
and knox of course thinks mark is in with him on this thing
so knox is telling mark we have to keep quiet and stuff hahaha
Fleur Du 7:10 pm
When Mark told you everything?
Thiago 7:10 pm
well mark told us everythign when he got knox to confess
but when this was going on today, mark told me knox was telling him they have to get rid of liam because liam is outting them
Fleur Du 7:11 pm
So why don't we ask Liam to vote Knox out?
Thiago 7:11 pm
anyway, so liam is pissed off
Thiago 7:11 pm
let me finish
so liam is pissed off because he said knox is turning his back on him and gloria is throwing him under the bus
and then BEN comes to mark and tells mark
that the truth is
that knox wanted ME out, they were discussing this durign the immunity challenge
but then suddenly knox said no, i'm voting taylor (this is around the time i told knox we should vote for you after taylor)
so they were all pissed because knox promised to flip and vote me or you off after they voted starr
but gloria and ben told liam to shut up and let taylor go, they will blindside me or you next round
but liam refused and sent me the PM
so the rest is history
liam told me tonight "if you need my vote, let me know, i'm still playing.."
Fleur Du 7:13 pm
So we're gonna knock off Knox with Liam
Thiago 7:13 pm
so we are trying to get knox to target liam this round so that we don't have to use the idol, because then clues will come up and gloria seems to be very good at finding idols
we didnt discuss anything yet
zac hasnt been around, mark went offline to relax
Fleur Du 7:13 pm
Yeah, that's the thing. Gloria needs to go fast. So does Knox.
Thiago 7:13 pm
its something to think about
but i think we are in much better shape
we're just worried about them reuniting
but right now i tihnk liam is a little upset, gloria is pissed, knox is VERY pissed
but knox did say he still may want to vote you off first, but then he got even more mad at liam so maybe it's different now, i haven't asked
Fleur Du 7:14 pm
This is giving me a headache
Thiago 7:15 pm
yeah welcome to my world
Fleur Du 7:15 pm
There's so much shit that went down... in a single afternoon.
Thiago 7:15 pm
i know
and also
gloria didnt tell them
it was knox who she flipped
she only told them last minute just before the vote
so its clear gloria and knox have a close bond somehow
Thiago 7:15 pm
she just said "i have a fan who will flip"
Fleur Du 7:15 pm
hmm, then they both gotta go. Gloria hates me, as you're aware.
She must be feeding her pathological lies to Knox.
Thiago 7:16 pm
well right now we have to see what happens with immunity
and also see what happens with knox if he targets liam
Fleur Du 7:16 pm
Yes, I want to take Gloria out of it
Thiago 7:16 pm
we may need to go with voting liam; HOWEVER, if liam seems willing to join us
then we work with him and make a move
i think it really depends on what gloria does
if gloria goes after liam, we are good to make a move
Fleur Du 7:16 pm
Plate smashes tell everything
I love the timing of it
Thiago 7:16 pm
but i fear gloria will try get the 4 back together, she really wants you and zac off
i know, i know
bree i think we are seriously going to be in the f3
i can't even believe it
i know it's early to celebrate but i think we did it
i think we are in a good spot to make it happen
Fleur Du 7:17 pm
I'm not going to party just yet. We need to get rid of Gloria or Knox and then we're set.
Thiago 7:17 pm
yeah of course
also
Thiago 7:17 pm
congrats on 14 votes
so far this season!
and more to come i'm sure
Fleur Du 7:18 pm
This is the most I've ever received in a Survivor game
Thiago 7:18 pm
poor bree

LONG convo, I know, but VERY VERY JUICY. Also:

Yeah, a LOT HAPPENED IN ONE AFTERNOON.

Basically, Knox and Gloria are friends. They and Liam are all angry at each other for multiple sell-outs, Knox was planning a bunch of crap since we got rid of Carly, and the reason he's targeting the inactives is so his pieces can be in place to make a move. Liam, however, is onto him and Gloria - and how Gloria is lying about his activities, selling him out, and the like. Liam sold Knox out and it's pretty clear that the enemy cannot trust each other anymore. Which is awesome, because that way, we might be able to save the idol... or keep it out of enemy possession.

Basically, if I had my way, the boot order would look like this:
8th Gloria
7th Knox
6th Ben
5th Liam
4th Zac
Final three: Bree, Mark, Thiago

If we can use Liam to get rid of Gloria and Knox and save the idol, then Gloria isn't going to get it and we can have an easy ride. If Liam and Ben convince Zac that he's fourth with us and force a 3-3 tie, it'll be good to have it. That's a very likely possibility, especially if we can get rid of the two that we need to get rid of ASAP.

Although there are many other things to contemplate here, as Thiago is mentioning:
Fleur Du 8:37 pm
Zac PMed me:
Sweet Bree, so glad you're still here and Knox did what he said he'd do! Now hopefully he's with us to take out Liam, since that's what it looks like he wants to do next. lol The longer we don't have to use the sword, the better. Then the faves can't get a shot at a new one.
I want to use Liam to vote out Knox and Gloria
Liam's no threat to us
Fleur Du 8:40 pm
do you agree?
Thiago 8:44 pm
i think it really depends on how knox and gloria act
if they want to vote you, then we should use liam
but if htey want to vote liam, i kinda think we should be patient
because hteres still a delicate 4-4 possibly

I'm relaying these thoughts to Zac in a PM:

I'm happy to still be here

Yeah, apparently a lot of crap went down this afternoon between him and Liam. We have four votes though - why should we take out Liam? We can use him to take out Knox and Gloria, who together are a bigger threat.

I guess a lot of that depends on the challenge results and what all gets revealed, but it seems like Liam and Knox will vote for each other, unless this is all a ruse. We have to keep everything in check here. We'll keep in touch about this and decide together what the best thing to do is after the challenge. Talk to you soon!

To which he said:

Liam is a big challenge threat, is he not? But we will hopefully have a few options for the next Judgement. Talk to you later!

I don't know how true this is. I mean, he won one challenge so far. And that's really the only one he contended in. Ben is more intimidating for me, as is Gloria.

Even if I have to wait... Gloria... I can't wait to finally get some vengeance. You've been nothing but a condescending varmint, a horrible example of parenting, and a ruthless shepherd that really enjoys slaughtering his sheep. (Please note, these are references to our prior run-ins). It's finally time that I vote you out... like this:

As for the challenge, Thiago hit me to make it look like we're not together. I'm not hitting him because he's online. Wouldn't make sense for me to waste a hit when I know it'll be defended, right?

Gloria is staking me out. No surprise there. She hates me just as much as I hate her, although my hate for her is much more logical. She hates me because of the lies her and her friends were fed, as opposed to actually getting to know me. And I hate her... because she believes those lies and is a jerk to me because of them.

Can't wait to cut that one loose, but I have to do it at the right time. We'll see how long we can keep this feud between Liam and Knox going, because that's great for my game!

[bree]

So... Liam.



Liam GvsE 10:02 pm
Hey Bree
Fleur Du 10:02 pm
Bonjour Liam!
Liam GvsE 10:03 pm
How you doing?
Fleur Du 10:03 pm
I am good! And you?
Liam GvsE 10:03 pm
Surviving
Fleur Du 10:03 pm
Oui. You get targeted in challenge.
Liam GvsE 10:04 pm
That's for sure. Knox didn't like me telling people about his plans.
Fleur Du 10:05 pm
I do not trust Knox.
Liam GvsE 10:05 pm
You and me both.
Look, I really don't care who goes home this round, as long as it isn't me.
So, Ben and I will vote with you if you can get votes to get somebody else off.
Fleur Du 10:06 pm
Do you trust Ben?
Liam GvsE 10:06 pm
Yes.
Fleur Du 10:07 pm
I hear rumour he may vote for you. I not sure if it is true. I do not mean to make you not trust me!
Liam GvsE 10:07 pm
If he votes for me, it'll be because there's already a majority for me. No need for him to make himself a target.
But if there's another option, I don't think he would.
I could be wrong, but that's Survivor.
Fleur Du 10:08 pm
Oui. And new idol is in play. It is more risky!
Liam GvsE 10:08 pm
Right.
Good time to make a move.
Take somebody by surprise.
Liam GvsE 10:11 pm
You never know if you might hit the idol otherwise.
Fleur Du 10:11 pm
Oui. It is risky to do anything. I am scared, even to tell you. :-\
Liam GvsE 10:12 pm
Indeed. But I know many people want me gone.
I would not do something to mess up a plan that could get me more allies.
Fleur Du 10:13 pm
How do I know you are not playing trick on me like you try with Mark?
Liam GvsE 10:13 pm
At F12 it was clearly a 6-6 situation.
Here I am clearly in a minority.
I would like to be in a majority, but I can only do that with allies.
So it wouldn't make sense to betray people who would help me.
Fleur Du 10:15 pm
How do you prove I can trust you? How do I know you will not tell plan to Ben and Ben will not tell someone?
Liam GvsE 10:16 pm
I have to get dinner. I am not sure why you don't trust Ben, but if you get me enough votes so we don't need him, I won't tell him.
I have to go. Let me know what you decide.


Sorry Liam, there is no way I can trust you right now. You've been sneaky this entire merge. What makes you think I am going to fall for it this time?





[later...]



Liam GvsE 12:03 am
Hey
Fleur Du 12:03 am
Bonjour Liam!
Liam GvsE 12:03 am
How you doing?
Fleur Du 12:03 am
I am tired. Looking for idol.
Liam GvsE 12:04 am
You might just save your energy.
Fleur Du 12:04 am
Why is that?
Liam GvsE 12:05 am
Because you aren't going to find it.
Fleur Du 12:06 am
Why you say that? Did you find it?
Liam GvsE 12:06 am
Let's just say the game is afoot


So...you want me to trust you, yet... you're not telling me about it? Congratulations! You're getting nothing out of me

[bree]

I'm sick and a lot is happening.

Short version: We don't know who we're voting for yet.

Knox doesn't have an idol but he's our source of information. He's a safe vote now but him leaving can make this anyone's game provided that no idol is used at Judgement.
Liam can be targeted but he could have an idol and he'd be most likely to play it if he did have one.
Gloria is who we WANT to target, but she could have an idol, too. She's trying to bluff us... or maybe not. If she plays an idol on herself, we're dead.

Knox is voting Liam for sure.
If we vote Knox, Knox leaves.
If we vote Liam, Liam leaves if he doesn't play an idol.
If we vote Gloria, Gloria can play an idol and it's suddenly 4 them, 3 us. Welp.

If Gloria leaves, one of us four will win this game.
If Knox leaves, it's going to be more of a struggle.
If Liam leaves... then Knox will be with us. Even if we vote Liam and he plays an idol and gets rid of... Knox, maybe?

@______________________@

[bree]

We're taking a chance and voting Gloria.

Mark doesn't think they have an idol. If they do have one, they are more likely to play it on Liam since he's the more obvious target (and they'd think we'd think they were thinking the opposite and would play it on Gloria).

We gotta be gutsy. No guts, no glory - that's just how Survivor goes. If this works, then we can end this with a Pagonging. It'll turn out more like One World - a Pagonging that isn't the most predictable. To do that, Gloria needs to go.

I'm nervous as all hell. This vote is just like the last one in that way... gulp. Fingers crossed!