[16.3] Final Four

[bree]

Thiago has been invisible on the board for five hours now and his post count has increased exponentially. What does this mean? HE wants to win immunity, which means he does not want ME to have it. That means I'm his target.


Fleur Du 8:57 pm
How long have you been going?
Thiago 8:57 pm
about 4 hours
Fleur Du 8:58 pm
I went for four and a half. Don't have time to do more. Have other things to do.
Fleur Du 8:59 pm
I don't have a four-hour window tomorrow. 10:30-12:00 appointment 12:00-12:45 grocery shopping, go home and put that stuff away 3:00-4:00 another appointment, work out afterward... and being Central time... yeah, no four-hour window
Thiago 9:00 pm
yeah i don't have time at all tomorrow
only a 1 hour break between work adn class
Fleur Du 9:00 pm
tbh I think you have me beat already
Thiago 9:00 pm
there are other people in the competition besides you
Fleur Du 9:00 pm
True, but... will Zac beat us?
Thiago 9:01 pm
you never know
mark says he can post all day at work tomorrow
so he could win also
Fleur Du 9:01 pm
So you're definitely not targeting me and trying to prevent me from winning a challenge?
Thiago 9:01 pm
i'm trying to win the challenge period
Fleur Du 9:01 pm
I was too. I wanted a second win! lol
It's a game, I know, I know...
Thiago 9:02 pm
i think winning an endurance looks good
it would also tie me with mark for challenge wins
Fleur Du 9:02 pm
I have one win in a live challenge and I looked respectable with what I did here


Of course, he's going to deny it. I just gotta keep picking his brain, and also lay to rest whether it's four or five years since he stopped playing... I just don't know how much I can trust that story.


Oh well, I need to trust him. Or Mark. It just depends on who is immune. It's gonna be a hard vote... I really like these guys. I gotta wonder which of them is gonna father Bree's baby...

[bree]

Am I nervous? Yes.

Nobody has PMed me. All three of them were on. This is worrisome. Why wouldn't any of them come to me about the vote? AT ALL? It just doesn't make sense to me, and my paranoia senses are tingling.

Who am I going to vote for? Well, since Thiago is immune, it's between Zac and Mark. Here are the pros and cons about keeping each and booting each...

KEEP	The sake of loyalty. Mark is in the final three alliance I made with him and Thiago. He also was the one that told me about it. Sociability. I genuinely like Mark more as a person since I've gotten to know him better. Thus, I would be too... doe-eyed about that. In the bad way. I don't wanna break my heart, I wanna give my heart a break... If I am indeed getting third place, I want to lose to Mark more than Zac. Zac is a nice guy and all... but his game here wasn't too noteworthy. I don't like it when juries vote for someone "because they're nice." To be the best... you gotta beat the best. And if I can beat Mark in the FTC, man, will I feel accomplished.	Zac has been the least social of all of the Fans. I honestly think he will get hit hard for his lack of a social game. Zac has -15 karma. I want to know why. An FTC might expose that. Zac has done whatever we said at every turn. He hasn't been the one to pull any triggers on big moves. This game respects big moves... and Zac hasn't made any.
OUT	As much as I love Mark, he's the bigger threat of the two. I honestly expect he'll win if he's in the finals, given how he had two idols, was almost gone first, and how he built bonds with several favourites. Charisma. Mark was able to save his ass in ROUND ONE. That alone makes me realize that he's damn good at arguing his case - and he can definitely do the same to the jury and win it with that. Mark has received just about as many votes as I have. That renders my argument of "I got a lot of votes... and I'm still here." pretty much void.	Zac would be easy to vote out. Mark would do it to save himself. Zac is a "silent but deadly" type. Has he built relationships? Nope. But he's also angered the least amount of people. That alone makes him a wild card in an FTC situation. Zac also is saying he will likely be seen as "doing nothing." Is he going to pull the Natalie White card? Taking Zac could get criticisms from the more hardass types like Liam and Gloria for "taking the easy way out." But what are they going to do about it?

I just gotta hope that Thiago has my back and will see eye-to-eye with me on all of this. This is easily one of the most brutal decisions I've ever made in a game... last time I was in this situation, I constantly rethought it. Granted... I was immune that time, and I'm not here. Having to betray one of my F4 group SUCKED. But I went ahead and told them the truth, got their vote in the end, and won...

...and I do plan on telling whomever I vote for here, should I know the way everyone is voting. I just gotta hope it works in my favor, because I want to be in the final three. Being the last member of the jury sucks hardcore, and I feel horrible for whomever it's going to be.


And if I am on the jury... my voting process will be simple to explain.

If any one of them tells me that they're voting me out and gives me a good reason for it, then I will vote for them to win. If more than one does it, it will depend on my questions, which will be getting to the meat of their games.

If I go and nobody tells me which, prepare for LividManda at her Lividest. I am going to put them all through HELL if they vote me out in 4th without telling me. I fought my ass off to make it here, and although I know that I CAN win this game by giving a ballsy, strong opening statement and capturing all of the jurors' minds with what I did behind the scenes without them picking up on it... I honestly don't know if this jury is going to award me the prize. I SHOULD make the end, but if I don't... it's gonna be fun for y'all to watch. I'll even go last mwhahahahahaha

[bree]

This is one of the longest and most painful discussions I have ever had. My worst fears are coming true.


Thiago 9:12 pm
so we should talk about the vote
Fleur Du 9:12 pm
Yeah, we definitely need to
Thiago 9:13 pm
so i am going to put it all out there
mark and zac are voting for oyu
Fleur Du 9:13 pm
I figured.
Nobody has messaged me.

Thiago 9:13 pm
so i think it's only fair that you know everything that has gone on since the reliquum days
i've kept quiet until now because it didn't deserve me any benefit to say anything, but now that i'm immune i feel much more relaxed and i know i can say it without worrying that i'll be in danger
Thiago 9:14 pm
so when starr invited me into the alliance with you and julian, about a day later she told me that julian had made a side alliance with starr/him/mark/dion
and that you and i weren't supposed to know about it
i think this mustve been during the 2nd round?
at that point mark had just freshly survived the vote, so i took the opportunity to get close to him since i knew he didnt really have any allies
i had also really gotten along with both zac and gabe, and felt our "culture 4" was an alliance that was rushed together and wasn't based on trust at all
Thiago 9:17 pm
i didn't trust julian and to be honest i didn't want much of an alliance with him, but i would have been stupid to say no to it, but when starr told me julian was doing side stuff i realized i had to have a plan B
Fleur Du 9:18 pm
so you have an alliance with Mark and Zac, too?
And you never told me?
Thiago 9:19 pm
so i revealed to mark around the 3rd round that i knew about his alliance with dion/starr/julian
and i told him about the culture 4 and we both decided to keep each other in the know so we could manage both alliances of 4 and make sure we always knew what was going on
Thiago 9:20 pm
slowly, each round, i formed a separate alliance. by round 5, me/gabe/zac/mark were in a really tight alliance, and i told them about the "Culture 4," and gained each of their trust in doing so, since nobody had really claimed any of them. by this point, mark said the other 4some julian created never really became anything because julian was never around and starr didnt like dion anyway/didnt want that alliance
Fleur Du 9:20 pm
Some ally you are.
Thiago 9:20 pm
i didnt really chose any alliance over the other
i never wanted to vote off anyone in either group
which is why dion left
and if we had lost again, knox would have gone
Fleur Du 9:21 pm
You know, your double-dipping makes you and Julian one and the same
Thiago 9:21 pm
starr became close to mark and wanted to blidnside julian, so i knew that i wouldnt have to vote off you/starr/gabe/zac/mark
i didnt want to have to make a choice and i'm glad i never had to
Thiago 9:22 pm
just before the sacrifice i found 8/10 of the fish for the "threes a crowd" and "history" idol
i couldnt figure the last two out, so i gave mark my answers and he was able to find the last 2 and claim the idol
i also took the last apple from eden, it was an idol, but the negative was that i couldnt play it on myself
so when i was able to get gloria to tell me who the faves were voting, i transferred the idol to mark to play on himself
Fleur Du 9:23 pm
and you and Mark lied about that
Thiago 9:23 pm
well we didn't want anyone knowing about our idol
i never lied about it. no one asked me if it was mine
i kept quiet on that matter
Fleur Du 9:24 pm
You made a final three with me and Mark.
Thiago 9:24 pm
i never made a final 3 with you and mark. mark and you discussed it, you told me, and i was careful with my words and i never agreed to it. however, i do know that i mislead you in the way that i spoke as if i was on board
Fleur Du 9:24 pm
so you're voting for me too?
Thiago 9:24 pm
mark wanted to keep tabs on you because he didnt believe me when i said bree is solid
Fleur Du 9:25 pm
I was 100% about fans to the end
You know that.
Thiago 9:25 pm
i know you were
absolutely
Fleur Du 9:25 pm
and now I'm paying the price for it
Thiago 9:25 pm
your loyalty to the fan ship was instrumental
well nobody said that yet
i'm telling you right now that i don't know what i'm going to do, and that's being honest
mark and zac are expecting me to vote with you
when you flipped on me and starr, i decided at that point to choose my alliance with gabe/zac/mark
Fleur Du 9:26 pm
I made a mistake.
I admit that
Thiago 9:26 pm
however, i didnt wnat you to go
Fleur Du 9:26 pm
It was a horrible decision
Thiago 9:26 pm
because you dropped your schtick, and you were alone
Thiago 9:26 pm
and i think you made a mistake and i think you were truly sorry for it
gloria/STARR/chad
were voting you off if farrago lost again, 100%
starr wanted to pretend she was happy with you still but she was very upset you voted for her and wanted you gone
but i didn't want to lose a fan, my game the entire time was to keep the fans together
gloria even said she wanted to throw the challenge and they contemplated throwing it
Fleur Du 9:27 pm
I wanted to make it up to Starr. Badly.
Thiago 9:27 pm
that's why i was the first one to post that i want to play
i refused to sit out
Fleur Du 9:28 pm
Because you didn't want me to go
Thiago 9:28 pm
and when it was glroias turn she was trying to throw it
but it old her we shouldnt
and then she started saying she couldnt figure her puzzle out
and then i gave her the answers to her puzzle, i spent 3 hours working on her puzzle for her
Thiago 9:28 pm
and when i gave them to her she had no other choice but to submit them
Fleur Du 9:28 pm
You are winning this game. Congrats.
Thiago 9:29 pm
or else she would have looked skeezy to me, and she knew that
and then at the merge i brought my two groups together to keep the fans strong
so my dilemma right now is that i don't know what to do
because zac and mark have been loyal to me this entire game
you wavered at one point, but you were so strong with me in the merge
Fleur Du 9:29 pm
and I was the one who decided to get the vote on Chad, which solidified us fans AND got out the biggest threat
I have been 100% honest with you
Trust me.
Thiago 9:30 pm
but at the same time, my loyalty has always been first and foremost to mark and zac
i knew this would be a hard decision for me because my 3 top allies all made the f4, and theres only room for 3 of us
Fleur Du 9:30 pm
I do not want to be fourth. I know nobody does.
Thiago 9:30 pm
i know you dont, of course you dont
Fleur Du 9:30 pm
And honestly, I think it's best for you if you let it go to a tiebreaker
Make me and Mark or Zac battle for that third spot
Thiago 9:31 pm
so i'm just saying to you now that i dont know
and that i need to think about it
and i hope you understand my predicament
i've laid it all out on the table
Fleur Du 9:31 pm
I do get it. I do get that I made a mistake. A really bad one. One that no longer makes sense to me.
Thiago 9:31 pm
the bond you and i share is just as strong as the bond i share with both mark and zac
Fleur Du 9:32 pm
I understand that. And knifing me right now... let's just say you'll have one very very bitter juror on your hands
Thiago 9:32 pm
i will have a bitter juror on my hands regardless of who i vote for
Fleur Du 9:32 pm
Although granted, I'll be most bitter towards Mark
Thiago 9:32 pm
so i've always mentally counted out the 4th juror as a vote against me
Fleur Du 9:32 pm
Unless he has the balls to tell me the truth
Thiago 9:32 pm
to be honest
Thiago 9:33 pm
i tihnk mark contemplated voting you out before ben at one point
Fleur Du 9:33 pm
You're being honest with me here.
Thiago 9:33 pm
he never said it to me but he'd always make comments about how you might flip
mark was my closest ally in the game
he is also my biggest competition in the final vote
Fleur Du 9:33 pm
I never even once considered flipping.
Thiago 9:33 pm
but i dont think i can bring myself to vote off mark
Fleur Du 9:33 pm
Not even when Liam was trying
Thiago 9:33 pm
i also dont think it looks good for me to backstab my closest ally
Fleur Du 9:34 pm
Then vote for Zac
Thiago 9:34 pm
kim and JT wouldnt look as good if they brought, respecticaly, alicia/kat and erinn to the finals
it's difficult for me because zac has been even more loyal to me than you were, given you did turn on farrago
i hate to hammer that mistake home but if i'm looking at it as a comparison, it is a fair one
Fleur Du 9:35 pm
It was a MISTAKE. I admit it. And Zac is taking the easy way out.
To be the best, you have to beat the best.
Zac won't get much attention from the jury. I think he even knows that.
Thiago 9:36 pm
i do hope that regardless of what i decide, and i truly dont know at this moment and i need to sleep on it, that after some time we can still be friends and chat after this thing is over
Thiago 9:37 pm
i dont care about a jury vote, at this point its more emotional than strategic for me
Fleur Du 9:37 pm
What I do after this depends on what happens
I may or may not play in The End now
Thiago 9:37 pm
i came into this game hoping to meet new people and i met some awesome people
so to me that is what is most important
but i thought you deserve to know everything
Fleur Du 9:38 pm
Yeah, I don't think this will affect our relationship... but me and Mark? I hate him now.
Thiago 9:38 pm
so whether youre sitting in the F3, or are on the jury, you wouldnt be blindsided with this information
Fleur Du 9:38 pm
and if I do play next season, he will be one of my first targets
Thiago 9:38 pm
there were so many times where i almsot told you
Fleur Du 9:38 pm
And you didn't. Why?
Thiago 9:38 pm
many times when i was almost sure i was gong to, i would go to bed
because i'm a cautious player, and i couldn't risk it
information is power in a game like this
Thiago 9:39 pm
i didn't know how you would respond to it
Fleur Du 9:39 pm
I probably would have wanted to blindside Mark tbh
Thiago 9:39 pm
well then i'm glad i kept it to myself
haha
Fleur Du 9:39 pm
I'm just being honest, like I always have been.
Thiago 9:40 pm
i am really glad though that i took you in
Fleur Du 9:40 pm
And if I get 4th... well let's just say I will have felt used and abused
Thiago 9:40 pm
after that farrago vote
if you have left on farrago
faves wouldve sweeped
you should feel used and abused
Fleur Du 9:40 pm
Yeah
Thiago 9:40 pm
i'd feel the same in your spot
and i could of course be the nice guy and say "but i'll tie it for you"
Fleur Du 9:41 pm
That means you're not going to.
Thiago 9:41 pm
but i'm going to be hoenst that it's not an easy choice for me because i do value what zac has done for me also
Thiago 9:41 pm
i just need some time to really separate my emotions and my strategy
it's been easy until this point
Fleur Du 9:41 pm
Well, if I am out 3-1... hell I might not even vote
I might just stop caring because of my own emotions
And the more I think about it... the less I want to play AS
Thiago 9:42 pm
well like i said, i'm less concerned about your vote as a jury and more concerned about our relationship after this
Fleur Du 9:42 pm
I don't want to experience this again
Thiago 9:42 pm
i'm not playing all stars i dont think
Fleur Du 9:42 pm
I should have just stayed retired
Thiago 9:42 pm
it's been too draining on me
i realized after this game that i retired for a reason 4 years ago
Fleur Du 9:43 pm
I retired only six months ago but I'm realizing the same thing
Thiago 9:43 pm
this point isn't fun for me at all
Thiago 9:43 pm
there's no joy at this stage
Fleur Du 9:43 pm
I've been in your spot before.
Thiago 9:43 pm
it's all bittersweet bullshit
Fleur Du 9:43 pm
Trust me. I was in YOUR EXACT SPOT once.
Thiago 9:44 pm
well then you know how difficult it is
Fleur Du 9:44 pm
beautyvsbrains.proboards.com/index.cgi
that game
I ended up taking home my first win
Thiago 9:44 pm
yeah
i doubt regardless of how i vote it's going to affect my placing
i think i'm destined for 2nd place
Fleur Du 9:44 pm
Merged at 10... battle of one original tribe versus the other
Despite the swap
We had a Knox too
We voted him out (he was Hantz)
Thiago 9:45 pm
ugh knox
i was so mad they voted knox out
poor gabe
Fleur Du 9:45 pm
and the F4 was my alliance
and I had to backstab somebody... and I told him
It was a different reason though
I was honest with all four the entire game
Thiago 9:46 pm
well i kept sometihng from each of oyu
mark/zac didnt know how close we had become
Fleur Du 9:46 pm
But the final four situation was weird because one person was on vacation and couldn't do the tiebreaker for over a week... so me tying it would have looked bad
Thiago 9:46 pm
and you didnt know about my other alliance
Fleur Du 9:46 pm
Yet Mark and Zac expect you to vote with me?
Thiago 9:47 pm
with you?
mark and zac expect me to vote for you
there's a reason mark only posted a bit more than you did
Fleur Du 9:47 pm
mark and zac are expecting me to vote with you

That must have been a typo
Thiago 9:47 pm
he just wanted to make sure you didnt win
oh
sorry
they are expecting me to vote you off
Fleur Du 9:48 pm
I figured YOU were up to something and that YOU were lying to me too
Thiago 9:48 pm
i've just kept quiet this round with everyone
i wanted to win immunity first and foremost
Fleur Du 9:48 pm
Last night I was fishing to see if you were going just to beat me, which I thought you were
Thiago 9:48 pm
well i kept going and going
because i knew mark had a whole day of free time today
if i was just trying to make sure you didnt win, i wouldve stopped at 500
Thiago 9:49 pm
i went 3 hours extra for ME, not to beat anyone in particula
Fleur Du 9:49 pm
Okay.
The thing is... I don't like being lied to, especially for an entire game like this
All because of one little mistake I made...
...that could have been a really huge mistake had Gloria not made a similar one, mind you
Thiago 9:50 pm
well i really worked gloria
starr thinks she flipped her, but it was me
i showed gloria convos where tina told me how she felt about gloria, and gloria wasnt happy
Fleur Du 9:51 pm
oooh, that's clever
Thiago 9:51 pm
i talked to gloria for hours and hours to get her to feel comfortable with me
gloria hated you my god
she wanted you out so many times
Fleur Du 9:52 pm
She hates me because of our past
And isn't willing to let things go
She also lies about me a lot
She's the scum of the earth
Thiago 9:52 pm
she told me on farrago that you have a reputation for making up lies constantly
Fleur Du 9:52 pm
Which was, in fact, a lie
Thiago 9:52 pm
and that you're reknowned for being a compulsive liar
Fleur Du 9:53 pm
Gloria is the liar
Thiago 9:53 pm
i told her that i didnt care what your repuation was
although i questioned it when you flipped which shocked me so much
Fleur Du 9:53 pm
I don't have a reputation for being a compulsive liar at all - if I do, I'm unaware
I play an extremely honest game
Thiago 9:53 pm
you did for sure
Fleur Du 9:54 pm
tbh one reason I don't wanna play next season is because of Gloria
I can't stand that cunt
and yes, I used that word
Gloria is one of the few that deserves it
Thiago 9:54 pm
dont worry i love that word hahha
Fleur Du 9:55 pm
I hate it unless the person deserves it. And I don't call people that to their face lol



...it is storming outside. Is that like my mood right now?


If I get voted off 3-1, I will be extremely livid, completely eviscerate these three LIARS, and expose to the jury just how much they used and abused me. Then... I'll just vote for Thiago and never even come back to congratulate any winners or anything.

If it's 2-2 and I lose the TB... I will just vote for Thiago, not play in The End, and be done with these games entirely.

If it's 2-2 and I win the TB... prepare for the windstorm. I am going do do WHATEVER I can to make these guys look like the villains they are.

In retrospect... I take back a lot of things I said in the Rites. I should have been mean. Especially to Mark and Zac. To both of you: FUCK YOU. You do not get away with lying to me, with abusing me, with using me, with wanting to vote me off out of fear I'm not loyal. I was 100% loyal to the F3 deal I was offered. And what do I get for it? THIS BULLSHIT.

I hope Thiago gives me a chance and votes Zac. I honestly don't think he will.

And I honestly expect to just be done playing for good. I should have been done ages ago. I'm sick of this bullcrap... it's just infuriating... I trust people, and what do I get? GRRRRR!

I HATE PEOPLE!